ANOTHER
E-MAIL CORRESPONDENCE
FROM: "Michelle Pember"
DATE: 12 January 2010
TO: feedback@dissidentwebsites
You say
only self is shallower than the mind.
How is promoting death selfless and how is anything on your
website promoting healing.
I can understand pain, anything alive understands pain and the
clear solution is to change the world through healing.
To encourage suicide is to further pain.
To encourage vulnerable people that the only way to hapiness
is through killing themselves is a lie.
To exploit their grief, without encouraging prosperous change
is strange.
I have seen death in many forms at the hands of people, anyone
would be filled with rage- and this passion, when true, comes
from a place of love.
Anger is the frustration of hurting.
What you are doing is playing on this guilt and convincing them
through cleverly subtle philosophical quotes that there is no
light. That to be alone is to be rid of the world. That to be
still is the answer.
What you are doing is taking natural feelings of remorse, guilt
and helplessness and gradually suggesting death is the only
way out.
You have not mentioned the basic concept of helping others.
Of using the anger they have for good.
Even in the philosophical quotes you have chosen, when thrown
into this context you've already pulled people into- everything
on this site and in these words are dead.
And I do not mean dead in the sense of evolving energy.
I mean dead in the sense of rape.
I am not articulate but I've seen you before.
Either you are a man who is lost and with that I can empathize
or you are a man who knows exactly what he is doing.
I would tend to lean toward the latter because if you were a
man enraged and didn't know any better, this site would still
be more angry, more passionate, more so terribly fucking sad
for life because it is LOVED.
A man in shambles over being lost and seeing genocides around
him would not be promoting more death but change.
He would be promoting compassion.
And it wouldn't be so clverly put together because in this state,
one is frantic. One takes philosophical quotes in which encourage
reaching out, love, empathy, learing to love onself because
they are part of the whole and that they are needed to help
others.
You have done, in your subtle ways, a good job of wringing in
the pain and fleshing out the bullshit.
It is because of all of these sort of messages, the world believes
they can do nothing. Sit still.
I want to say so much more but there are no words I can use
Ghutanfalntufor
I don't have to stop you, you are stopped.
You know exactly what you are doing.
I am a praise for the words of love for hope will change the
world
Any idiot knows this.
FROM: Anthony Weir
DATE: January 12, 2010
TO: "Michelle Pember"
Dear Michelle,
Many thanks for your truly passionate letter.
I don't think you need fear that I am 'corrupting youth' or
perverting people with my little website, which is just one
amongst millions, and one of the only truly dissident websites.
On the contrary, it seems to have roused your angry response.
You evidently don't like freedom of speech.
I am merely expressing an opinion therein that Man is basically
evil and overrunning the earth. This is a perfectly rational
supposition.
Your response seems to lose rationality when you say "dead"
= "rape". A conflict of category there, I think, as
well as of syntax. I am the result of a rape.
The planet is being raped by us.
How dare we talk of 'love' ? Humans haven't the faintest idea
what 'love' might be. They know only hate, treachery, cruelty,
genocide and speciecide. We are wiping out 10,000 species a
year! be
Healing cannot begin without self-knowledge. This is what we
are worst at...
Yours, ashamed to be human,
ANTHONY WEIR
FROM: "Michelle Pember"
DATE: 12 January 2010
TO: feedback@dissidentwebsites
If it pains
you so to see pain in the world, which it should- it is man
who we must inspire change from.
When people come to your website and are angry/hurt by what
they see, how much goes on they cannot see-
the solution can not be to kill oneself because this furthers
pain.
I do not belive suicide is "sinful", it is pain.
I do not judge those who are so depressed they think that's
the only way- I (being human and so yeah-) judge those who encourage
it.
If every person who was pained by pain they witness/feel/know
offed themself- what then.
You would say well no, human kind erradicated- good.
I would say- that may only leave left those who don't care at
all.
Every message on your website, every quote, every precisely
crafted word/way tells me you are not coming from a place of
hoping for healing.
The content on your site is layered. There is a mass of precisely
layered manipulation.
I do not see, if you want change for the good, for healing,
for light, for suffering to end- where are your solutions besides
a type of "genocide".
You loathe the human species to a core.
You loathe yourself but I do not read I feel guilt for not helping
to heal.
You loathe the human species and I do not hear an uprising voice
anywhere on your site for hope in the sense of helping others-
animals-plants-people alike.
Your only solution is that because we hurt we should kill ourselves.
Yes, I realize this is one of many sites. I've seen many sites
about rage toward injustice. I've seen many sites about self
hatred stemming from ashamed guilt.
I understand there is free speech. I do believe it crosses a
line when it is embedding certain encouragements into people's
minds.
For one human to tell another human, in a vulerable state, this
is the way(when it is a lie)- and lair it as your website does,
to me is no different than taking advantage of a vulnerable
animal or human. Human.animal. All one.
If I ran across a site that said, I hate human kind for what
we're doing, okay.
But What I did see was a carefully layed out site that on first
glance, offered suicide as the only way. A suicide hotline link
that was no link (could be a mistake) and further venturing
in, carefully hand picked layered philosophies that some were
taken entirely out of context which you, as an author especially
should not be doing in respect to the writer, and secondly you
are telling people in carefully constructed words how to obliterate
themselves gradually, starting in the mind.
It is surrounded by tidbits that would draw them in at first,
it would need to be that way or else no one would continue reading.
But when the entire presented context of your site is how ugly
the world can be-
where is the drive for healing and light.
It is one thing to be aware of the problem (this is necessary
no matter what one's beliefs are)
but it is another to not even mention love.
To have an entire website devoted to what a great pain we cause,
where is the protest and calling for love.
I am angry aswell when I see things,hear things, know how much
pain there is, I have also been angry at my species and others.
But at the end of the say I still know hate is never the solution.
Love, the need for love is a basic concept in all the Universe
I'm sure. We have already witnessed what hate does, we have
also witnessed what love does.
Why, in all of your sorrow, if sorrow is how you feel, would
you not mention this to anyone.
Why have you not selected any philosophical quotes that inspire
love and change, I find this strange- if your site was infact
what you say it is, which I do not belive to be true.
There are too many red flags.
It is calculated.
It isn't an angry site trying to convince people of the error
of their ways.
It is trying to make people believe they are nothing. And in
doing that- they will do nothing and/or die.
This contradicts your "theme" once you see the obvious
subtle details.
You are intentionally doing this. It is painfully obvious.
When I say painfully, I mean, pain. I do not want someone stumbling
across that site, in the pain they feel for things that happen
around us, and begin to hate themselves through guilt and slowly
latch onto these misconstrude and your written twisted philosphies
they are gradually having plugged into them.
You make it layered to pull them in.
You want them to lose hope in their species-
Well, we have always been. It is imspossible to eradicate the
spirit- it is only possible to make them perceive they cannot
heal.
Therein lies the danger and the purpose of your website.
If you wanted positive change you would try to inspire us to
live upto our true potential.
When I said your website was dead, I made a distinction between
death as evolving energy and rape to express that I do not see
your site as a natural death, which is painful but moves and
changes, and evolves and is rebirth.
I do not see your website as trying to rebirth a message of
love and healing to fix the world-
I equated it to a rape as being the sort of energy that for
that pivitol moment- is stagnant and provides more pain.
If you were conceived by a rape- this does not reflect on you
, wasn't your fault. What you do now reflects on you. And instead
of bombarding with the message more hate will fix the world-
doesn't even make sense- why wouldn't you be arguing in favour
of righting the wrongs.
The only answer that makes sense is because you do not want
healing to take place.
These philosophies of love/healing are basic.
Especially when there is much hurt- one needs much love.
If your site was honestly about pain and empathy- this would
have come up. There is no skirting around it because it is the
most foundational need besides water and food.
It is the lack of these very things (fleshed out and more complicated
sometimes), love,water,food- that causes the world to be like
this so,
I'm being repetitive but- this is why I know you are doing this
intentionally. Love, or even the demand or NEED for love would
have come up countless times on a website filled with poetry,
philosophy, human pain and guilt, all named under the theme
for how we need to change.
But that theme is bullshit. There is nothing in that site that
offers any desperation for love- even if that's toward being
angry at a higher power for not helping and relieving at least
the others.
And even if you do not believe in a higher power, any atheist
knows that a collective group of people that share a common
goal of healing, however one would- would produce the change
we so desperately need.
You do not beg for change.
You are not really hungry, you just want to watch them starve
or else you'd be inspiring them to learn how to feed others.
Self knowledge is many things but it is not selfish.
Self knowledge is supposed to teach one empathy for the purpose
of helping others, no matter the species-others.
Your email seems harmless. If your site content was like your
email expression, I might buy it.
But I know your email is a lie.
You've put much time and effort into a site that lacks all wisdom.
It wears the mask but it is shallow.
I want to give you advice on how to love yourself but I realize
maybe that's how you're trying to sucker me in.
Or else you would have an entirely diffrent website and not
still be lying to my face.
Any man alive knows very basic solution you have left out of
your detailed site.
!!
It being about rage and pain are lies or else you would demand
love.
FROM: "Michelle Pember"
DATE: 12 January 2010
TO: feedback@dissidentwebsites
See, I want
to tell you I understand your pain.
But the thing is- I don't believe you feel badly.
I think its a front to get people endoctrinated in a way that
will cause more pain.
Anyone who desperately hoped for change would never encourage
helplessness.
FROM: Anthony Weir
DATE: January 12, 2010
TO: "Michelle Pember"
Dear Michelle,
Indoctrinate ?
absolutely not...
All teachers are false, simply by calling themselves teachers.
Your protests are like those against the BBC. But nobody needs
to go to my site. It is not part of a curriculum nor is it (anti)religious
propaganda. I just say what's in my mind.
Most of my website is poetry by other people, some of it by
great poets.
You seem to be fascinated by just a few pages that get you going.
People who arrive on my site usually do so by Googling 'dissident'
or by Googling 'Diogenes'.
They are not expecting 'love'!
Nor should you.
If you eat meat, you haven't the foggiest notion of what love
is...
ANTHONY
FROM: Anthony Weir
DATE: January 12, 2010
TO: "Michelle Pember"
Would you object
to our correspondence being put up on a page on my site ?
I'm not sure what the title would be....something like 'Dissenting
from Dissent'
or 'In Defence of Love' ?
ANTHONY
FROM: "Michelle Pember"
DATE: 12 January 2010
TO: feedback@dissidentwebsites
It is my
business when you are encouraging vulnerable people to kill
themselves.
Free speech has it's "ethics" too.
That is why there is law.
Anarchy only works in a world where the common ideal is peace,
and where everyone has the same idea of what peace is.
This is unrealistic.
There are ethics in free speech too.
I'm not talking religion, I'm talking common sense.
You don't heal something by abusing it.
So you should not hide under your mask of "pain" when
clearly you are trying to encourage it.
Most of your website is poetry and poetry by great authors yes,
cut and fit into the context of your theme.
As is your poetry worded carefully as to convince those this
way does make sense, all for the purpose of suicide.
As I said, it is layered carefully but still obvious.
And people are made of meat in their physical bodies.
Why is okay to slaughter one animal and not the other.
I don't need your answer as I realize this is pointless.
You know what you're doing, you know it's wrong, you know it
will produce ill effects and temporarily convince people they
cannot help or be helped and thus create the results you want,
more harm, more pain, more bad energy.
This is your purpose.
You are wasting your breath.
You cannot eradicate the human species.
No matter what the after life is like, even in it's most basic
forms you would need to obliterate the earth and all of time.
The human spirit species is as relevant as any other.
The Native Americans knew this and they are the upmost respectful
of other animal species , as we too, are animals.
We are all energy that cannot be destroyed.
You use Wolf as symbolism on your site. Wolf is a Great Teacher.
You use many philosophers on your website, who you use out of
context or for ill effect, but they are Great Teachers.
You built a website for the human species- they are Great Teachers.
You are part of the Universe, a collective consciousness that
includes All and also the One. The One is Great Teacher.
Scientists are great teachers. Observation is a great teacher.
Empathy is a great teacher,etc....
It is a matter of discerning the good from the crap.
Your website is crap.
You can hide under art if you'd like, but...c'mon...you know
it and I know it.
It's calculated and full of lies.
If one was just trying to understand something and had a fuzzy
philosophy, that's understandable, but your site is meticulously
layered in the guise of opinion so you can use the arguments
you're sending me as a front.
You are advocating suicide, exploiting guilt and grief, endoctrinating
people gradually so that for your purpose, it works.
If you put your agenda upfront, no one would take the bait.
I'm a fairly open minded person and I know each has their own
path. But the thing that combines every progressive path is
love.
Empathy is the common ground for all spirituality and secularism.
From empathy with EVERY species follows the rest of healing
actions.
Why am I bothering telling you stuff you already know but choose
to ignore.
You know it, that's why it's important to you to turn a moment
of a helpless feeling into a permanent state of mind.
You want to kill them.
I feel sorry for you.
I wish I could express more compassion but I have to keep it
in the forefront of my mind that you are DELIBERATELY doing
what you're doing, trying to get people to kill themselves.
What lesson is that.
You give no shit about animals either- it's a front.
I have to keep telling myself, you are trying to kill people
in a very calculated manner.
You enjoy this. There for arguing or debating is useless because
you are a liar.
You are a liar.
FROM: "Michelle Pember"
DATE: 12 January 2010
TO: feedback@dissidentwebsites
Why is it
acceptable to convince people to kill themselves is all I'm
asking
Listen man,
I still feel a negative energy from your site.
Now that it's several hours later, I realize being so high could
have slanted something.
So if that's the case I can apologize for that.
But I was having some pretty strong negative spirit feelings
I haven't had in a very,very long time until I entered your
site.
There's no way around it.
It is what it is.
Perhaps the thing to do is hate the actions, not the species.
It sends out a heavy load.
And it doesn't send out a message of your love for animals,
it sends out hatred for an entire species, which, someone talking
like that has no business talking about niamsl either because
we are all alive. You cannot hate humans and love animals, we
are animals.
I dont know, or maybe the high made me more perceptive so now
I'm delusional.
Either way, I cannot tell, all I do know, is that the site carries
very negative energy, and not in a "I cant handle it"
because I've seen worse.
No, I would prefer our conversation stay private as it was intended.
However, I have to question, all the things I said, you barely
denied them or even tried really...
So I don't know what's true or not anymore besides the negative
energy.
Take care.
Take care of others too.
FROM: Anthony Weir
DATE: January 12, 2010
TO: "Michelle Pember"
All I'm saying
is that we are Nature's Big Mistake, the means whereby the planet
is undergoing the sixth extinction. Cloaking everything in puerile
optimism does not really work. 'Humanitarian Aid' and all that
is just cosmetic, a sop to the consciences of the meat-eating,
lawnmowing middle classes.
Don't you think that 50,000 years as a 'trial period' is long
enough for any species ? We only get worse as our tools get
better.
ANTHONY
FROM: "Michelle Pember"
DATE: 12 January 2010
TO: feedback@dissidentwebsites
I'm not
being optimistic, I'm being realistic.
The only way to inspire hope in people is to encourage them
to help other humans and animals.
The more people who are inspired, the more of the world that
is fixed.
I'm under no impression it would be perfect. I'm under no impression
it would be close to perfect.
But it would be something.
Nah man, I was out of it yesterday and I apologize.
I disagree with hating slaughter and not minding the holocaust
(not saying thats how you think but humankind dying...I dont
know)
In my mind- both are equal.
Both acts are equally as viscious and sick.
Humans have suffered like animals have suffered. Pain and fear
belongs to anyone dying like that.
Protest against the actions of violation toward every species,
don't judge and entire species.
I dont know, as I said, forget about what I wrote earlier. I
was out of it and I apologize.
FROM: Anthony Weir
DATE: January 12, 2010
TO: "Michelle Pember"
Your generous
apology is warmly accepted.
But why inspire hope, which is the greatest of all traitors
?
I checked the link to "the
suicide helpline" and it's working - but diverts to
a page in .txt format.
Here is another
link:
You seemed to
think that my little poems might encourage mass suicide - if
only!
Do you really think the exponential growth of Homo sapiens
(a species originally limited to a small area of Africa) is
a good thing ?
I give the example on one of my web-pages of Médecins
Sans Frontières 'saving' several thousand babies
from infant mortality in Northern Burkina Faso. Saving them
for what ? By the time they are 20, the whole society will have
broken down due to famine etc. and they will be in Ouagadougou
gangs injecting heroin, or be prostitutes with HIV, or languish
in some concentration camp or other.
Cheerfully yours in a medieval village in one of the richest
and smuggest countries in the world,
ANTHONY
today's poem:
IN MEMORIAM HAROLD PINTER
In the whispering dead of night,
and howling dead of day
those who never were alive
root among the latest bunch
released from suffering
and have their lunch
scraping diarrhœa
off the caviar
and stirring lobster bisque
with rotting cocks
and after baked alaska
(guess what is inside!)
they perambulate
the dripping caves
and sacrificial rocks
decanting Dão 1963
onto mass graves.
FROM: "Michelle Pember"
DATE: 13 January 2010
TO: feedback@dissidentwebsites
A
Ritual To Read To Each Other - William Stafford
If
you don't know the kind of person I am
and I don't know the kind of person you are
a pattern that others made may prevail in the world
and following the wrong god home we may miss our star.
For there is many a small betrayal in the mind,
a shrug that lets the fragile sequence break
sending with shouts the horrible errors of childhood
storming out to play through the broken dyke.
And as elephants parade holding each elephant's tail,
but if one wanders the circus won't find the park,
I call it cruel and maybe the root of all cruelty
to know what occurs but not recognize the fact.
And so I appeal to a voice, to something shadowy,
a remote important region in all who talk:
though we could fool each other, we should consider--
lest the parade of our mutual life get lost in the dark.
For it is important that awake people be awake,
or a breaking line may discourage them back to sleep;
the signals we give--yes or no, or maybe--should be clear:
the darkness around us is deep.
FROM: Anthony Weir
DATE: January 12, 2010
TO: "Michelle Pember"
Thanks for that
poem! I had never heard of WS, but found some good stuff at
http://www.williamstafford.org/spoems/index.html
Gratefully yours,
anthony
today's blog:
www.dsdnt.blogspot.com
'YOU
READING THIS, BE READY'
after William Stafford
http://www.williamstafford.org/spoems/pages/youreading.html
The
problem -
the big problem
- with poetry is
that it is written
by the rich and free
or comparatively
rich and free -
even Akhmatova and Mayakovsky.
Famously,
Adorno said that poetry
after Auschwitz was barbaric:
like the Nazis lapping up Wagner
at Bayreuth.
A
line from 1993
by William Stafford
(not the 16th century English courtier
but a celebrant of the Western chloroform culture):
'What can anyone give you greater than now...?'
has a horrible humour
for the prisoners in Guantanamo or Tongliao,
in Gulags, Gaza, refugee-camps,
Haiti's slums,
or in ten thousand torture-cells
around the world,
for
a hundred thousand women
being raped this very minute,
for
a million old or newborn,
crying, starving, dying.
Humans
have made the world
terrible even for humans -
no matter how the gilded, gifted poets spin it.
13th January, 2010
